==================================C'è società che ti deve dei soldi: fanno l'assemblea soci e 60% decide di non darteli. Tu festeggi. Che fa tua moglie? #greekreferendum— Riccardo Puglisi (@ricpuglisi) July 6, 2015
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Corriere della Sera: FONDO MONETARIO INTERNAZIONALE
Quanto ci è costata la crisi greca?
Dal 2010 a oggi l’impegno finanziario per aiutare Atene è stato di 354 miliardi.
Secondo le stime ne servirebbero altri 60 per un eventuale ulteriore piano di aiuti
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Blog di Beppe Grillo del 6 luglio 2015:
Come ti smonto tutti i luoghi comuni sulla Grecia
Da Spiegel Online del febbraio 2010
Greek Debt Crisis: How Goldman Sachs Helped Greece to Mask its True Debt
By Beat Balzli. Goldman Sachs helped the Greek government to mask the true extent of its deficit with the help of a derivatives deal that legally circumvented the EU Maastricht deficit rules. At some point the so-called cross currency swaps will mature, and swell the country's already bloated deficit.
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Perché Zingales è così “morbido” nei confronti della Grecia?
05/07/2015 / L. ZINGALES------------------------------------------------
Prodi confessa: “Sul debito della Grecia, Francia e Germania mi obbligarono a tacere”!------------------------------------------------
Perché Zingales è così “morbido” nei confronti della Grecia?
05/07/2015 / L. ZINGALES------------------------------------------------
Prodi confessa: “Sul debito della Grecia, Francia e Germania mi obbligarono a tacere”!------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------"in Grecia l'austerità non c'è mai stata" Un bravissimo @micheleboldrin, anche se Maurizio Milani resta il migliore. http://t.co/p2HuFHsFWi— ilVincia (@ilVincia) July 6, 2015
Ecco come l’Europa cancellò il debito della Germania
Pubblicato da keynesblog il 10 marzo 2015 in Economia, Europa, Storia------------------------------------------------
Wikipedia:
Siemens Greek bribery scandal
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Check the charts here: http://www.beppegrillo.it/2015/07/come_ti_smonto_tutti_i_luoghi_comuni_sulla_grecia.html?s=n
RispondiElimina1. Goldman Sachs did help Greece to fiddle their accounts and got in exchange some hefty fees. Heard any international outrage against the cheaters at GS? http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html
2. Where were all the PhDs running Europe when Greece asked to enter the Euro and they had fiddled with their figures? Good faith or bad faith?
3. Germany and France had to save their banks (in fact, those were the institutions holding most of the international credits towards Greece (predominately private debt). Question: why were they lending to Greeks if they are such geniuses that know that Greeks (households not governments) could not repay? The cheap interest rates resulting from the extension for the Euro substituting the Dragma, where too much of a good thing for Greek households to miss but bankers should have known better.
4. The international fund set up to “save Greece” in reality saved the German and French banks (Open question: who asked them to give cheap loans to the Greeks as soon as Greece entered the Euro? With this fund, all countries now share the burden of a private French and German problem.
5. Merkel and Sarkozy (Germany and France) kept selling weapons to Greece in the mist of the crisis (corruption was obviously involved) and Greece has one of the highest military spending over GDP in Europa. They were basically international loans (to repay their banks anyway) with trade on things they produce). Fantastic were the news when Germany sold Greece submarines that were deemed not “seaworthy” (heard of that on the press?) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10895239/Greece-sues-for-7-billion-euros-over-German-submarines-that-have-never-sailed.html
6. German company Siemens and the corruption scandal over the Greek Olympics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_Greek_bribery_scandal
7. Germany is running a surplus (as opposed to the deficit that most European government have). Do people know that running such a high surplus (I believe is over 7%) is a break of the European treaties? I am not kidding, by the treaties created to have a balanced trade within the EU, you are breaching them if you have a high deficit but also if you do not spend the money to make the economy run (aka, if you hold an excessive surplus). Anybody saying that?
8. The ruling left party, Syriza, did not cause the debt but their response to the international community is based on a ton of lies as exposed by your article.
9. Back in 2010 the crisis could have been solved (by Germany) with a 100bn loan (and then imposing whatever reforms you wanted). Germany refused and the crises mounted given the pseudo religious approach Ms Merkel has on the all thing “let them suffer so they learn”. It has now costed the European economies what? 1.5, 2.0 bn$? Plus the instability and all we read on the press… You cannot impose unlimited austerity to people without a tangible recovery in sight (to be fair it did work in Ireland).
10. As much as we can agree that tax evasion is a problem and the State does not fully function in Greece, today hospitals in Greece do not have medicines and several social services are really depleted and the most vulnerable parts of the society are suffering. As a European citizen I do not want to be part of this game vs the common people of Greece.
Net net: both parties are indeed in bad faith for a variety of reasons. The solution is totally an unchartered territory and I do not have one to suggest. I can only check multiple sources and try to have an informed opinion.
Every time we trusted the #Germans we had to switch sides half the way through!
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